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Old August 14th, 2018, 05:32 PM
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Tigerstar I ( no questions asked ) and now that I think about it firestar is kind a gary stue 'perfect' in everyway it seems I can't believe I used to like him >-< . TigerstarII I honestly think they should have stuck with bumblestripe now that I watched simmys video on it and if you saw my rant thread xD. Blackstar.... He just didn't seem to have enough .. Aw to his personality to me and he didn't even take firestars help the first time in the new prophecy ! -_- . Or maybe he did?can't remember . Aand brokenstar.
Are you referring to the OG Tigerstar or his inferior clone?
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Firestar. He just seemed like a Gary Sue... I didn't really like him. Although, Bramblestar is a bit boring but he's not the worst.
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Are you referring to the OG Tigerstar or his inferior clone?
Tigerheart aka tigerstar was for the bumblestripe thing and tigerstar was for the very first book set . Also what s OG mean for this? Original gangster or ?..so many abbreviations...
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OG as in original gang, because we all know tigerstar #1 is the true og.
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Tigerheart aka tigerstar was for the bumblestripe thing and tigerstar was for the very first book set . Also what s OG mean for this? Original gangster or ?..so many abbreviations...
just. original

Tigerstar from the first series was actually a good leader, just not a good cat (given he sought to destroy those who disagreed with him.) He brought ShadowClan back to prosperity after Brokenstar and Nightstar almost destroyed the Clan. That's also part of the reason ShadowClan almost revered him for a long time-- he was like a saving grace, a light in the darkness that consumed them as the plague ravaged them. There's a good chance ShadowClan would've been worse off without his intervention.

His grandson isn't a good leader, and it doesn't help he abandoned his Clan to chase after a ThunderClan she-cat. Can't believe he was allowed to return without an issue.
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True, Tiger did do some crazy fixing after the Brokenstar issue. Somehow getting his nine lives after what he'd done in TC was pretty crazy too, but I've only read the first series and that was a while ago so maybe I'm missing something.

Maybe StarClan gave him those lives because he proved capability? He did make some hard changes that ShC would've been doomed without.

A good leader? Maybe. When it came to TigerClan, he was technically a good leader? He was definitely the leader despite leopard's dual-leadership so-

The whole half-breed treatment thing was still an issue on its own, so even if he was a cruel leader, I can see why he'd be considered good at what he does. He is, it's just that it's hard to respect him in the way he goes about leading.
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just. original

Tigerstar from the first series was actually a good leader, just not a good cat (given he sought to destroy those who disagreed with him.) He brought ShadowClan back to prosperity after Brokenstar and Nightstar almost destroyed the Clan. That's also part of the reason ShadowClan almost revered him for a long time-- he was like a saving grace, a light in the darkness that consumed them as the plague ravaged them. There's a good chance ShadowClan would've been worse off without his intervention.

His grandson isn't a good leader, and it doesn't help he abandoned his Clan to chase after a ThunderClan she-cat. Can't believe he was allowed to return without an issue.
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OG as in original gang, because we all know tigerstar #1 is the true og.
Oh ok ! The part that stuck with me for the original tigrestar was because of the fact that he tried to destroy those who disagreed with him... Didn't tigerheart die before receiving his nine lives? I think he should have just left the clan for good or stayed dead one or the other.
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Oh ok ! The part that stuck with me for the original tigrestar was because of the fact that he tried to destroy those who disagreed with him... Didn't tigerheart die before receiving his nine lives? I think he should have just left the clan for good or stayed dead one or the other.
For all I know, he could've. If it was revealed in a special edition or any book after the darkest hour, I'd have no idea XD. Doesn't matter anyways, he died in one go as a leader so he didn't exactly get very far in life, given the felidae style death. Thank you in advance, trash gremlin.

I know he comes back via dark forest, even if I haven't read any further than his death, I just don't know much of what happens afterwards. Confusion is fun, so I just roll with what people say because heaven help me if I tried to catch up on the series now XD.
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Hear me out! She was so easily manipulated and she kind of just let her clan fall into an state of distress and it was just awful. And the fact that she allowed Tigerclaw to put her into that, it also proved how weak she was.
 


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